{"id":5174,"date":"2011-12-21T22:52:00","date_gmt":"2011-12-21T22:52:00","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2022-01-01T11:36:14","modified_gmt":"2022-01-01T17:36:14","slug":"more-thoughts-on-comics-industry","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/comichron.com\/blog\/2011\/12\/21\/more-thoughts-on-comics-industry\/","title":{"rendered":"More thoughts on comics industry profits vs. revenue across time"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"text-align: right;\"><\/div>\n<p>Following <a href=\"https:\/\/comichron.com\/blog\/2011\/12\/21\/abc-comics-publisher-data-for-1947-48\/\"><b>my quick analysis yesterday<\/b><\/a> of the 1948 sales figures discovered by Tim Stroup, some have suggested that suggesting the industry is &#8220;more profitable&#8221; today is too strong. My old colleague from <i><b>Comics Buyer&#8217;s Guide<\/b><\/i> <b>John Diser <\/b>notes that advertising revenues would certainly have been greater; and <a href=\"http:\/\/dixonverse.net\/board3\/index.php?topic=6302.0\"><b>Chuck Dixon reminds<\/b><\/a> that publishers owned their own presses \u2014 as already noted above, some publishers also owned their own distributors (as in the case of S-M News) and didn&#8217;t pay creators squat. Those are all true: the more accurate thing to say is that <b><i>revenues<\/i><\/b> today, adjusted for inflation, are similar or slightly higher, exclusive of advertising.<\/p>\n<p>However, in my post I was referring \u2014 or intending to refer \u2014 to profits for the <i>industry<\/i>, not publishing. Most retailers selling comics in the 1940s bought at horrible discounts \u2014 it was a <b>Paul Levitz<\/b> business magazine interview years ago where he said comics in the old days were loss-leaders for the stores that carried them. Today&#8217;s retailers, by contrast, are receiving a much larger percentage of the cover price. And the Direct Market adds another element to the balance sheet: publishers in the 1940s were eating a large chunk of change in returns. If 600 million comics were sold in 1948, well over a billion were printed. The market is <i>dramatically<\/i> more efficient for the relevant players today. (Vertical integration knocks out some portion of the loss, but even a self-printing, self-distributing publisher would still be shelling out for paper, ink, and transport on the unsold comics.)<\/p>\n<p>So the question of profitability then and now is an interesting one. Unfortunately, there aren&#8217;t a lot of data points, even now. We were regularly able to see Marvel&#8217;s publishing profits in its quarterly reports, up until <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.comichron.com\/2009\/12\/marvel-age-of-stock-reports-ends-disney.html\"><b>Disney bought it out<\/b><\/a>; it&#8217;s part of the overall franchise now. And I&#8217;m not sure how you&#8217;d begin to find out what real retailer profit margins are today without a <i>lot<\/i> of interviews. Still, it would be an interesting study for some MBA student out there!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Following my quick analysis yesterday of the 1948 sales figures discovered by Tim Stroup, some have suggested that suggesting the industry is &#8220;more profitable&#8221; today is too strong. My old colleague from Comics Buyer&#8217;s Guide John Diser notes that advertising revenues would certainly have been greater; and Chuck Dixon reminds that publishers owned their own &#8230; <a title=\"More thoughts on comics industry profits vs. revenue across time\" class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/comichron.com\/blog\/2011\/12\/21\/more-thoughts-on-comics-industry\/\" aria-label=\"Read more about More thoughts on comics industry profits vs. revenue across time\">Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[9],"class_list":["post-5174","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-1940s-sales"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/comichron.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5174","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/comichron.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/comichron.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/comichron.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/comichron.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5174"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/comichron.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5174\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6924,"href":"https:\/\/comichron.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5174\/revisions\/6924"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/comichron.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5174"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/comichron.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5174"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/comichron.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5174"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}